De Rigueur
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Post by De Rigueur on Aug 1, 2004 19:15:42 GMT -5
A friend of mine and I were talking today...if you were at, let's just say you were somewhere where you weren't supposed to be, when you came home if your parents don't ask where you were, and you don't tell them, is that really considered lying?
My friend kept insisting that it is lying, but I don't think it is. I mean, if no one asks, how can it be lying?
Any insights on this are welcome!
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Post by Football54 on Aug 1, 2004 19:33:16 GMT -5
If they don't ask, then your not lying. We are all teenagers and therefore "parent-dodgers" (at least we're all teenagers as far as I know) and honestly, thats sad if they don't ask where you were. They should always ask
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Post by tanmanpursley73 on Aug 1, 2004 21:28:17 GMT -5
if they dont ask then ur not ansewering in a lie therefore ur not lieing
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tanyahead
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Post by tanyahead on Aug 1, 2004 23:06:15 GMT -5
How could you lie if you didn't say anything?
Yea, I agree. You weren't lying because you didn't say anything, and they didn't ask.
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Post by Yuki on Aug 2, 2004 0:37:55 GMT -5
Well, I completely disagree.
If you are out, your parents obviously gave you permission(if they didn't, then you are already lying by sneaking out) meaning that they trust you to go to places where they allow you to go. If you run off and go to a place where your parents would not approve of, then how can you say that you are being honest? True, technically you can not lie if you have not said anything truthful or dishonest, but we all know the saying, "Lying is any action or any form of communication that intends to be dishonest".
Thus, your parents giving you permission to go(meaning they trust your good virtue to go only to places they approve of) and then you disobeying(I'm sure that they would have told you before hand[maybe a few months ago...] where not to go and what not to do) and you going to a place where they would not approve, and not fessing up, then yes, I would say that's lying.
Make sense?
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Post by Jenni on Aug 2, 2004 3:55:01 GMT -5
well, if ur parent's donse'nt ask anything den i don't think it's lying. but then i agree with yuki cuz if u go someplace where ur not allowed to n ur parent's trust that u won't go there ur lying to them... hehe i was gettingcomfused  |
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Post by Smart1 on Aug 2, 2004 12:17:09 GMT -5
Hm...before I replied to this thread I was going to say that I don't think it'd be considered lying, but after reading what Yuki said I'd have to agree with her...
Some what, I still kind of think it's not lying. I mean, if they don't ask you, they don't ask you! So, how can that be considered lying if you don't say anything?
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Post by tanmanpursley73 on Aug 2, 2004 19:10:15 GMT -5
ummm dude so which side r u on?
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Post by Football54 on Aug 5, 2004 0:33:29 GMT -5
Sorry Yuki, but I'm going to have to go with the crowd on this one.
Yes it is dishonest but no, it is not lying. If you come in without your parents asking you anything and you don't say anything, you did not lie.
Now like I said before, I never said it was honest, but its not a lie.
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Post by Yuki on Aug 5, 2004 16:25:53 GMT -5
Yes, although I do see where you're headed with that, football54, I am going to have to disagree...
"Any form of communication that intends to decieve is lying." If one does not tell the truth, it is lying. I'm assuming that one has recieved permission from their parents prior to this situation(not to imply that this is really happening) to head out of the house on their own. When they recieved this permission, I'm (almost) positive that the parents had you take an 'oath' promising to not do anything unworthy. Therefore, when you come home and say(or, in this case, not say anything at all, but not saying anything would be implying this if in fact an 'oath' was taken), "Oh, yeah, I was righteous, I only did what you would allow me to" then I would have to say that you are lying
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Post by Jenni on Aug 5, 2004 22:46:19 GMT -5
ok... im agreeing with yuki cuz...
u already agreed that you won't go to that place but then you go... so is'nt that like lieing???
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Post by Football54 on Aug 6, 2004 13:37:31 GMT -5
well thats the thing, we just don't know the whole situation here, if the kid promised to not do those things, then its a lie (by yuki's definition) but we dont' know all the circumstances
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Post by Yuki on Aug 6, 2004 14:47:25 GMT -5
Okay, three situations:
Situation A) The parents (stupidly) never had their child promise to not go to so-and-so's house. So-and-so's house is a very wrong place to be, and one would not want to find themselves there. Now, the parents had, however, asked the child to promise (back when they were younger) that they would only go places that they would approve of. Since so-and-so's house was not mentioned in specific, is it considered lying?
Situation B) The parents have had the child promise not to go to so-and-so's house, when the child gets home one day from so-and-so's house, his parents do not ask where he's been. Is he still lying by not saying anything?
Situtation C) The parents have never had the child promise not to go anywhere innapropriate. However, the child has common sense where his parents would not let him wonder, if his parents don't ask where he was, is it still considered lying?
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Post by Jenni on Aug 7, 2004 11:00:39 GMT -5
i think a is'nt relli lieing b um.. lieing n c i don't think it is hehe  |
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Post by Empress Kitty on Aug 21, 2004 21:48:17 GMT -5
Um, sorry I haven't replied yet, but let me just to tell you: it is lying. It is called lying by omission. Don't try to argue because this is a fact, not an opinion.  |
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